Biology needs consciousness: The Ascent of Humanity with Dr. Amit Goswami

Lorne Brown 

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Welcome back to the Conscious Fertility Podcast. Today I’m excited to have Dr. Amit Goswami back again. We had him earlier, a few years back on episode number 62. It was called Quantum Integrated Healing. He was joined by Dr. Valentina Onisor. In that talk, they’ve done a lot of books together. Today we’re going to be talking about his latest book, the Ascent of Humanity, what he introduced you to, Amit, and I’ll do a little introduction. Then we’re going to dive into why he wrote the book and what the book’s about. I think we’re going to realize it is so important this book right now in the evolution of our world and the dangers that we perceive. So let me just dive into it and just introduce you to Dr. Amit Goswami. He’s a theoretical quantum physicist and a retired professor from the University of Oregon where he taught for nearly 30 years.

He’s a pioneer in bridging science and spirituality, best known for his solution to the quantum measurement problem and his development of a science of consciousness. Dr. Goswami is the founder of the Quantum Activism Movement and Quantum activism team. It’s an educational institution in India focused on transformative learning, grounded in quantum science. He’s the author of so many books. I’ll name a few, and they’re very influential, including the Self-Aware Universe, the Quantum Doctor, Quantum Spirituality, and his latest book that we’re talking about today is The Ascent of Humanity, Quantum Biology and Our Future. If you haven’t listened to our earlier episode number 62, Quantum Integrative Healing, please do so. Amit, welcome back to the Conscious Fertility Podcast.

Amit Goswami 

Oh, glad to be back. Thank you for having me.

Lorne Brown 

Hey, thank you for writing so many books and for writing this one. At the time of this recording, it just seems like world events keep changing and a lot of people are saying We’re in a breakdown before we have a breakthrough. Some people say this is part of human evolution, and when I was reading your book, I was like, it kind of gives us a roadmap to understand what’s happening in our world and how we move through this world to evolve. So I was hoping we could dive a little bit into your book a bit and I’m curious, why did you write this book?

Amit Goswami 

Well, I’ve been concerned like everybody else and since I have developed a quantum biology, which clearly shows that there is a biological arrow of time, we do progress from simple to complex and there is a spiritual progression, spiritual theory of evolution, which suggests that this is not the way that is going to go forever. In fact, change is about to come because the world is so chaotic today that change is inevitable and the change is for the better.

Lorne Brown 

Now I’m going to kind of go through, I made some notes about your book and just certain things I’ve pulled out and I want to kind of get you to elaborate on a little bit to our listeners. We’re not going to read the book, you got to go and get the book, but I’m just going to highlight a few things from the chapter. So kind of early on in the book, one of the things that stood out is how you talk about biology without consciousness is basically biology without life. I’d love for you to go into that and you talk about this downward causation and how it challenges conventional biology because in my world I feel that there’s kind of two paradigms. There’s this new paradigm that is based on quantum science. There’s this old paradigm based on Newtonian science and how does what you’ve written in your book and what challenge our conventional biology by this downward causation?

Amit Goswami 

Yeah, well see molecular biology, the idea that biology is chemistry is simply plain wrong. It assumes that life just emerges out of a complex system, but it’s an assumption. It’s an assumption that does not hold good, and not only that, it is not compatible with Dar stereo evolution anywhere because Dar theory says survival is the important criteria of living beings. Survival is what drives them for evolution. Now, can molecules, if they’re material molecules, survive? Survivability is not. Survivability is not a molecular property. This is where molecular biology goes from, and they have tried and tried and tried to produce survivable molecules that molecules for which can survive. Many experiments have been done, but none have succeeded, and there they show that molecules do not have survivability. Survivability is a property of life. So then the question is how does life arise? Then if you take the quantum worldview and the quantum worldview, consciousness is the ground of being and then life can arise because consciousness divides itself into living and not living manifests itself in that way. So there is an explanation of how living and life can happen, whereas in the molecular theory, not only you get no really theory of life except to say vague words like life emerges in a complex system, you get contradiction with the very important Darwin theory of evolution that biologists themselves start as the final theory, which also is not correct. Ance theory is not a complete theory either.

Lorne Brown

Thank you, and you kind of talked about manifestation, and I’m going to go on a small tangent because you’ve talked about this in other books, but it also comes into this book about there’s these waves of possibility that we collapse into actuality and it makes me think manifestation such a hot topic that you see people write about and I’m curious, your take on it from the research in quantum physics and your own life experience and how I want to set it up is it seems like people think they can go into a store. I want to get manifestations that are easy. I want it so I created it. Einstein has this quote, everything should be made as simple as possible, but not too simple. I sometimes think this idea of manifestation has been made too simple. Then I’ve interviewed on our podcast like Dean Radan who talks about manifestation and my interpretation from it is you are participating but it’s not like you. I want, I get in your book you talked about, it reminded me of manifestation when you talk about there’s all these possibilities that you collapse into actuality. Can you talk a little bit more about this because somewhere around chapter two you get into this quantum physics and how we’re participating and I was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on that and tied into this manifestation concept that so many people are teaching and trying to do and talking about

Amit Goswami 

Absolutely because of no thanks to social media. The idea of simple, very simple ideas sell a lot more than slightly complex ideas, but you’re quite right. That quote from Einstein, things can be simple but no simpler. It cannot make any things any simpler than what the truth is. The consciousness that collapses possibilities into actuality is not our ego consciousness, it is the consciousness which is the ground of wellbeing. It is the non-local consciousness, non-local consciousness that belongs to all of us. It’s the universal cosmic consciousness that we all belong to. That’s the right way of putting it, and then because of reflection in the bitter of memory, we become our egos, we become conditioned and then we have our particular wishes, particular desires, particular intentions, and sure all of us would like to create the world as we intend, but of course it is also true.

Just simply observation of your own life will show that no, you don’t get what you always wish. In fact, most of the time you don’t get it. Sometimes you do get it and then if you look carefully sometimes that you do get it, you would find that what happened in those cases is that what you’re intending was in consonance with the movement of consciousness. This is the key thing that if consciousness as a whole, the holistic consciousness, the static consciousness agrees with your intention because consciousness has purpose in it. The evolution theory clearly shows that objects go from simple to complex. Why? Because there is purpose in evolution and purpose of evolution is to evolve us towards this more manifestation of the values, human values, the archetypes, and therefore if my action is in consequence with the movement of consciousness, which is to promotion and embodiment of the archetypes for humanity, then of course your intention comes true. Otherwise your intention doesn’t come true. This is the actual case and you cannot make it any simpler

Lorne Brown 

And as Einstein says, everything should be made as simple but not too simple, meaning that if you make it too simple, you lose the value and the essence of it. Exactly, yeah,

Amit Goswami 

Exactly. If anybody could get anything, that one desire just by waiting and archetype will jump to him in the world. That would be absurd because then the world would obviously be completely full of conflicts because we are always desiring conflicting things, the same thing but from a different point of view and what would happen if everybody got it just by waiting? Everybody learned the trick, the secret so-called.

Lorne Brown 

Alright, so we got to align with consciousness as you’re saying, it’s not the ego that gets what it wants, it’s consciousness that manifests through you and I think we’ll talk about surrender later on because you talk about this in your book. I want to kind of go somewhere Midway Brown, chapter four, you start talking about biology and I want to get into the healing, healing of biology, healing of emotions, trauma. I think a lot of our listeners are interested in that and again, you talk about genes are not truly blueprints is the interpretation I get. They’re like scripts and they’re waiting for actors and consciousness is the director. These genes are waiting for the conscious director to put them into action. Can you talk about the central dogma of molecular biology and what you think is incomplete about it? Also, how does quantum biology then reinterpret the gene’s role?

Amit Goswami 

Okay, so the center of molecular biology is that information can only go from genes to proteins, not from proteins to genes. There is a Wiseman barrier that prevents proteins from sending information to genes. Lamar who gave us a theory of evolution as well, this theory was a quiet characteristic. The proteins change and those proteins itself, that’s really the item of evolution. What it helps is the changes in the proteins, changes in the body, a quiet characteristic that the body gets like the soul of human feed. Why is it so thick? Because human beings at some point must have encountered an environment which required walking into very hard terror and therefore their feet got stuck and that is what propagated and evolved. That’s lemon can theory, but Dar Darwin and well, okay, but what is the mechanism of propagation? Because the proteins cannot communicate to genes, so they cannot produce genes that come to us through reproduction, that mechanism is not available for protein.

This was the problem. I solved this problem in quantum theory of evolution, what happens is in quantum biology what happens is that there is non-local memory. Memory is not only local but also non-local memory. So this non-local memory of memory outside of space and time that can propagate from one generation to another as a whole species. So an entire species develops, say not an entire species initially, but a group of the species develops a particular characteristic. Let’s say the proteins change in a particular way, like the soul gets thick for a few human human beings and then because they’re all correlated, you see the peculiar quantum concept, correlation means or entanglement, it means that if two objects are correlated, they can communicate faster than the piece of three reply. They can communicate instantly because they’re communicating outside space time where speed of light limit or signals does not hold.

In fact, the communication is without signals. So this is the thing that this signal is communication that propagates this information that works in the change proteins and that goes into the next generation because of reincarnation. That is the form of reincarnation because this non-local memory is available not only now but also in the future by the members of the same species. And so some members will be getting this non-local memory of the change that happens to the proteins and that’s still where the change in the proteins can go from one generation to another and after a few generations these groups get larger and larger and then the whole species gets,

Lorne Brown 

And so just for unpacking, this is the whole idea of a new science quantum physics where it’s very different than antonian physics where it’s very materialism and linear and what you’re talking about, which is still a new concept for many of us, this idea of non-local and things are beyond space and time happening. Everything’s happening now all at once and so it’s hard to get your brain around it, but you’re sharing then some of the reasons why people come in and they talk about this in conscious work, healing work where people are carrying trauma but they didn’t experience it and some say it’s their generational trauma and some say it’s part of the collective. Some even say right now as we’re recording this that there is a collective human awakening and suffering does lead to awakening and it’s the first time maybe on our planet where it seems like nobody is escaping this awakening, this suffering. It’s not like, oh, it’s just this country or this race, it seems like the whole planet of humanity is in this awakening process. So a collective awakening. Do you align with that?

Amit Goswami

Yeah, well indeed, if you look at the whole world today it is some kind of a commonality that people are in a crisis and some people obviously in this whole climate of crisis, they’re not persuaded by this crisis. They’re on the other hand waking, they’re weak up. So what is the mystery of these few people? In fact, there may not be so few. David Hawking, the great psychologist, he suggested when maybe 15% of us who are into this awakening,

Lorne Brown 

Right? He said there was a certain tipping point. I think it’s my favorite. He’s written many books as well. I really liked his book Letting Go. That was one of my favorite books he wrote. But he talks about that awakening and that a lot of math, his books, a lot of mathematics, the vibration of emotions, but you tie this into this awakening process that we’re experiencing and what I want to get into is like you said, get out of the ego. This is my interpretation, is consciousness doing stuff through us. So if things are happening in this world that are really outside of our control, what’s in our control, how we react to it and how we consciously respond to it as well, what kind of action we take, and that’s what I think your book shares with us.

Amit Goswami

Yes. What we can do is to participate,

We can do is to participate in the movement of consciousness, join it instead of opposing it, instead of staying quiet, not doing anything or opposing it, we join the movement of consciousness if we intend according to the movement of consciousness and if we really carry through what needs to be done, which means a lot of creative work because consciousness worked through us. This is a point that ance always missed. Their version was that God does it and we don’t do anything but the modern science, quantum science is showing us that it is not that way. We have to participate, we have to be creative with that consciousness, that universal consciousness. Then only things happen. So this participatory idea is extremely important. We participate and that is the way changes take place. So it is 15% enough now 50% is growing because the interconnection process that goes on and on, so the groups become bigger and bigger. So these changes are coming, but it’s hardly visible right now. It is visible for people like Professor Hawking, but it is not visible to ordinary people. They only look at the chaos. So look at Ukraine, look at it and look at all this stuff, all this mess that is going on, but beyond the mess, there is this unseen process that is going on. So many more people are being interested in meditation and creativity in the American process, that center of humanity.

Lorne Brown 

And so you look at this, then you see it differently than just the chaos. You can see the chaos, but you can see something behind the chaos yourself.

Amit Goswami 

I can see something behind the chaos.

Lorne Brown

So there’s a purpose to it

Amit Goswami 

In fact, in the world that I live in, the people that I interact with and there thousands of people, they are not as much at all. They’re on the other hand into creativity, into rebuilding their life into transformation. They really are taking transformation seriously

Lorne Brown

And for our listeners, that’s what this book’s about how to participate. So again, check out your bookstore or your online bookstore for the ascent of humanity. We’re continuing on here. One of my favorite chapters was the chapter that you talk about the creative evolution and you talk about this idea of the quantum gap, which is crucial for creativity and I like it because just my own experience, when I go on holidays and rest, that’s when I get my best ideas come and then I started purposely rather than thinking I come up with these ideas. A couple years ago it became very obvious to me that I can be like a receiver and these ideas are out there and I can just pull them into me it felt like. And so I started these different practices to get into a space which at first was uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable because I’m planning this world to manifest and the eagles really involved because I’m trying to create my future and how it’s going to look and what I’m going to do and to get into this space, it was a practice of feeling I had to get comfortable in the unknown. I had to get comfortable with not knowing and trusting the process which I had to, it’s a practice. I’m still practicing. It’s a discipline. And so I opened that up for you to share a little bit about this quantum gap and how you see this or can you give more of the science behind this creative evolution in this pause and how uncertainty and unknown actually plays in it because the ego has to know, but it’s actually the opposite has been my experience to become comfortable with that unfamiliar feeling I guess is my way, but I’d love to hear more about it

Amit Goswami 

An open mind is another way of putting it. The ego problem is the ego’s problem is that it is lost. You tend to be conditioned. It wants to choose only in the condition spectrum of its experiences outside of conditioning. It doesn’t want to go. So the ego has to be, sometimes it has to be hammered by two L four in order to open up. And that opening up is the discovery, the discovery that you made that you have to have much more flexibility. This is actually the discovery, the process of creativity is preparation, unconscious processing, then certain insight. Certain insights are the key. Sudden insight is a quantum leap. Like when an electron jumps from one atomic orbit to another, it does not go through the interfering space. So that sudden insight is really a quantum leap from the existing belief system into a completely new system. You are really discovering something new with new meaning and new value. This is the point.

And before then the process is preparation and unconscious processing. Why? Because preparation gives you PX quantum objects and when you are unconscious, these objects can proliferate like waves. They become waves. This is one of the characteristics of quantum objects. There are particles when you are looking at them, there are waves when you are not looking at them. So when you are creating these thoughts with an open mind with imagination, when you are not looking at them, when you’re not thinking about them anymore, when you are just relaxing, then these quantities become waves and they start becoming bigger and bigger like waves two and gives you many, many more possibilities to choose from. This is the key and out of those choices, which your intention is in consonance with the movement of consciousness, consciousness helps you to take a quantum leap. You recognize that

And that’s the insight that there’s a manifestation stage where we manifest the insight. Now in biological evolution, these actually leave quantitative sub taking place. This is what gives rise to the phenomenon of gaps. Fossils are not continuous as ordinary dealers believe or ordinary rendition of steroids usually does not emphasize the fossil cap, but the fossil’s fossil record is not continuous. It has discontinuous gaps in it. In other words, the tree of life that is constructed is not a continuous tree. The limbs are not continuous, but there is a separation. There is a little gap in which there is no fossil. In other words, there has been very quick evolution and followed by prolonged slow evolution. See the slow part and quantum leaping is the fast part

Lorne Brown 

I’m not familiar with it. He’s written a lot. Professor of consciousness archeologist Greg Braden, he’s written a lot and he talks about these quantum leaps like he goes, you can see in humanity there are phases where it’s not like this slow DNA evolution. There’s times where there’s just a massive leap and we can’t connect the dots like you’re sharing. So you think then our climate’s changing, right? Technology’s changing. We’ve got a lot of electrical magnetic energy that impacts people, right? We got lots of wifi everywhere. We have our climates getting really hot in some places and really wet and dry in other dry areas. Do you foresee or are you actually seeing even that? I don’t know if you can actually see a quantum leap, but do you predict a quantum leap in this biology?

Amit Goswami 

Well, the quantum leap that is going to take place is going to be a little different. The quantum leaping that took place in biological evolution was more in the hardware. It was actually a quantum leap in which the genes actually participated in the quantum leaping that is taking place in humanity is more of the software That is where you touched upon this a little bit before. Genes are not by themselves able to do anything. They have to be selected upon. Some genes have to be activated and those activated genes are the ones that make the appropriate proteins for the organs. So when you make an organ, every organ in the human body has the same genes, but every organ does not activate all the genes that it has. Then it could perform all the functions of the body, but it doesn’t do it. It selects a function like liver.

The job is to give the bile the digestive material. So in this way, every organ is only activating those genes that are necessary to make those proteins that will help the organ to carry out its function. So the quantum gene activators must then activate those genes and who activates the quantum gene activator? His consciousness does. Would they help? To a percent extent morphogenetic fields, this is the subtle way that the biological software enters the picture. The morphogenetic fields are the vital software that an organ runs by and for the evolution of humanity in the time that we have, we are talking about evolution taking place in hundred years, thousand years at the most. That’s the human kind of time scale that we are interested in. We don’t live any more than a hundred years. Animals evolved through millions of years. That’s the evolutionary past there.

The evolution of hardware was the important thing. The genetic evolution, the genes start to change and that takes a long, very long time. The quantum leaps take very long time in between, but in the top 12, the quantum leap can take place very fast and this is the advantage that we are taking that we’re talking about because I am convinced that if we all get attention, many more people will be waking up right now and many more people are joining the quantum leap that we’re talking about. And changes can happen very fast. It can happen within the next decade, it can happen within the next century. It can happen within the next millennium that we cannot predict because these are all very short times in biological timescales, but it will take place because the software can change just like that. If we all work hard with these ideas in mind and like you discovered, keep an open mind and join the creative process, take quantum leaps and then manifest, embody the archetype that they’re exploring when changes can happen faster when we come through

Lorne Brown 

I want to unpack that a little bit on two levels. So first it’s just I really love it because I often use that metaphor for myself to understand when you update the software, you get better use out of the hardware. There’s a shift in the hardware. So our physical bodies, our hardware, and then our beliefs, our subconscious programs, our beliefs, our mindset. That’s kind of the software and people know that you download a new software on your phone or if you have an electric car, sometimes the car hasn’t changed the hardware, but when you download the new software, all of a sudden you get more battery use out of your car or now you get more cameras turned on. It was always there. They just weren’t able to be turned on until you got the upgrade.

Amit Goswami 

You’re accessing much of the hardware better than before, that’s one the physiology changes

Lorne Brown 

Right? What I’ll add is that it’s different because of the hardware, you get more out of the hardware when we talk about machines. So a metaphor is never perfect with humans. The actual hardware can change, the hardware can even get a bit of an upgrade. So you can actually, because the car is what it is, but we’re constantly changing our diet stuff, we can turn on and off genes and build muscle tissue. So there were those studies with multiple personality disorders just to talk about the software hardware and one personality needs reading glasses. The other personality does not. One personality when you do a blood test is diabetic. The other personality isn’t the same hardware but the software is different. So you get a different biology, you get physiology. Yeah, we can change the

Amit Goswami 

Physiology. This is precisely it. As people grow, in fact we discovered that these biological systems, the vital body, these smart genetic fields, they are distributed in the body in such a way that their confluence are helped in seven different places in the body. They’re called chakras. These chakras were discovered millennia ago in the east, but nobody paid much attention and now we have rediscovered them with the help of where using quantum theory chakras have those places where the software and hardware are working together, the vital software and the physical hardware and this is where all the organs are. So actually people talk about the heart and the heart indeed is the place which is very, very important in that people can take a quantum leap in the heart and then they’re able to love. They have embodied the archetype of love. And when you do that, the physiology of the heart changes.

Physi the heart was before only a blood pump just pumping blood in the body. Very important function no doubt. But with the quantum leap, now a person can additionally take care of another person. It’s taking care. This ability was not there before. Now the organ in this heart chakra has now this additional additional ability of taking care of another person before the immune system that is also at the heart chakra in the form of the timeless gland that has the characteristic of being defensive because it is protecting the body against intruder. But the immune system is overruled by the heart; the immune system is suspended and instead the heart now can take care of the, produces the proteins that are necessary for us to include other people in our consciousness, which is what love is about. So actually we’re quite right. The physiology of the organs actually changes. Yes, the hardware, the way the hardware behaves actually changes.

Lorne Brown 

You can change. I know they see this in brain work where they can see new wiring of their brain, right? New synapsis, they do see things change. And as you shared, which is so important, every cell, every organ has all the genetics that it needs to create. The cell in the liver could create a nose or could create a heart, but it’s telling it to be the liver. And so that’s also really interesting that all that information is there but something is coming through it to make it do what it needs to do. And you’re talking about this conscious energy and we’re going to talk more about this biology then and this software, how we change it. I want to unpack one more thing about this quantum gap idea. To me, where I am in my evolution, this is the part of to help me get into the gap, a process surrender and getting quiet and I interpreted in the work I do because lowering the resistance when you have resistance, when you’re fighting with reality in Chinese medicine or I’m trained in, we call it cheese stagnation, you kind of block flow and receptivity.

So when you say this process of getting the gap, there’s preparation, there’s process and insight. My experience has been that when I’m able, I call it notice except choose again, my listeners know this. It reminds me of our interview that we did, reminding the listeners episode 62, you talk about be do, be do, be do, right? So it was like notice I’m triggered, everything is neutral and I give it meaning and don’t take anything personally. Then there’s this whole process of accepting right and accepting doesn’t mean you like or resign to anything. It just means you accept this is what’s happening right now. Right? To me, what I think happens is the resistance drops because you’re no longer fighting with reality and now flowing receptivity flows through you and this is what you called insight. I tell people because people go, I need to know what to do.

And I’m like, if you act out of fear and lack, you’re going to get more fear and lack. If you act out of whole and completeness, you’ll get more abundance. The action may look exactly the same, but what’s the beingness behind your doing? That’s why I love your bdo bdo. And so the first step is to get into the state of being a surrender, and then I believe what I experienced is inspired thought comes through you, which I’m interpreting as your insight, which leads to inspired action. You talk a lot about this in your book, so I want people to look at your books. There is a science behind this process. I just wanted to share that part.

Amit Goswami 

Yeah, we described it very beautifully. That is precisely the major part of the process. New ideas arise and we have resistance and then all of a sudden we take one complete that it just drops and we make an about turn and can accept it, accept the new idea. It is the human being’s participation that is the acceptance because the ideas come from consciousness, from cosmic consciousness. All ideas come from there. But some people are so obtuse that their mind is not open A, they cannot look at it and cannot accept it. Whereas the prepared mind, the mind who has gone through the doby doby do is able to make that turn and accept the new. And that’s the insight we join in. In other words, we participate in the new insight that comes. We overcame that gap that existed between the old and the new. We took a quantum leap, we lived through the gap

Lorne Brown 

And this idea of participation, it also I think of how we could easily become victims. What I interpreted as well, when you said in manifestation, it’s not the ego, it’s consciousness working through you, but you need to participate. It’s not like this consciousness is doing it for you. You participate and I think in life and in healing, if you’re waiting for somebody else to do it or you’re blaming, that puts you kind of in a victim state. However, if you take a participatory role now to me you have accountability and responsibility. And so now because there’s been trauma in the collective or in your ancestors or in your life, sitting as a victim doesn’t really serve you well. And if you can help heal that to participate in your healing, then you can transform this intergenerational trauma. How do you see this then in the work that you’re sharing? You talk about the vital software and how we talked a little bit about how it impacts the DNA. We’ve shared that there’s this non-local and you can inherit traits outside of your own personal current experience. How do you see this theory affecting healing and intergenerational trauma then?

Amit Goswami 

Yeah, it is very important to up the victimhood, which makes us into an income post doing nothing about what is happening. We can change the software if we participate in the process. The problem is we try to modify the hardware, we try allopathic medicine to get good well for healing and it’s all trying to change the hardware to fit the software, but software is much easier to change than the hardware. In fact, sometimes the software has to be changed because other material hardware has just gone so alright that it cannot be changed back by any hardware, supplements or medicines that you can use or surgery that can use. The software has to be adjusted. And then what do you do if you sit like a victim and do nothing, then nothing happens. But of course you pick, become creative and participate. Do the doby doby do do the imaginations that are necessary to change the vital software to change the mental software. Then do we process and eventually get you into that state of acceptance where you can let the new flow in, new ideas flow in, new software flow in and that’s when the new software can replace the old software and you are held.

Lorne Brown 

Tie this into the David Hawkins we mentioned earlier about the critical mass. How many people need to be awakened where I see hope in my practice? So people come to me for the, they used to come for the hardware and I use my diet, supplements, herbs, acupuncture, low level laser therapy. But I also do conscious work in my practice with the needles and all that. More and more people are wanting to address the software. They come in and they say, I have trauma from my childhood. They intuitively know that. They even say, I got programs that don’t serve me. I don’t want these anymore. Can you help me? And so to me that is changing the software. And we know in psycho neural immunology, also known as psycho endocrine immunology, they talk about how your thoughts and feelings impact your nervous system, your hormonal system, and they can turn on and off genes for health and longevity or they can turn off genes for disease processes.

So what you’re sharing is not out there. I mean even mainstream western medicine, which often takes a long time for it to get into the hospitals and clinics, talks about this. Quantum science has been talking about this for a while now, what you’re sharing. So again, I just want to emphasize a, I see a lot of people coming to my practice wanting to do a bottom up and a top down approach and what you’re sharing, all the books you’ve read, you’ve written, not read, but the books you’ve written and the latest one, the Ascent of Humanity, it’s all about changing the software and how it can impact the biology.

Amit Goswami 

Yes. The idea is that if you change, if we collectively start changing the software, then we can evolve humanity much faster. And evolution is very, very interesting because we have the physical body, the vital body, the mental body, and then the archetype of the supplemental body. We have already lived the physical body. Physical has already been, we are hunters and gatherers. At that time we lived very physically, almost like animals that way. But then we changed to the vital and that’s when we started working on software because it has been going on for some time. So that probably happened about 70,000 years ago. We started working on the vital body and then when the plow was discovered, the agricultural era, then we started going into the mental body so that the mental body is now the supreme, this mental rationale, this is how the computer age arose because the mental body is rational.

It does not really depend on consciousness, creativity so much. It tries to solve problems staying at the same level that created the problem. So this is the age that we are in and at this age is a difficult one to go through. This is why it’s taking so much time. I mean so much time and biological time, nothing 12,000 years is human national leader is nothing compared to hundreds and thousands of years that we have been around the earth. So it’ll pass how many years it’ll take, we cannot say, but it’ll pass. It definitely will pass. This much can be said and the next year is in two years. That’s data. When we embody the archetype on mass right now, only 15% of us are interested in doing it. And we are doing it. We are doing it. I’m doing it right now, only 15. But as days go by, years go by, centuries go by will change and it’ll become very much faster.

Lorne Brown 

And you kind of had a little Einstein quote in there and I want to ask based on this quote, he says, you can’t solve a problem, the same level of thinking it was created at, or I’ve heard it at the same level of consciousness it was created at which you just talked about that mental archetype. So what do you see for our future and what is necessary? And I’m going to pull out a quote again, an idea from your book. You know what I made is you talked about this new society will not be built with machines. There’s a lot of stuff about AI going on right now, they said, but with awakened minds. And so I’m curious, when you talk about this quantum society, you call it like a non-locally connected society, what does it look like?

Amit Goswami 

Yeah, that’s the thing. How

Lorne Brown 

Do we shift from ego to this intuition as well, exactly how to be nice? What does it look like and what’s your how to do this?

Amit Goswami 

Okay, so basically what we have to do is to go from a mental society to bring back feelings. See the archetypes can be expressed both in mind and with the help of feelings. And it’s the feelings combined with meditation, feeling best thought keeps your emotion. So let’s use the word emotion. So bring back the emotions that’s effect archetypes expressed through mind are dry, do not really have any bearing with physiology. Cannot change physiology much because the mind is divided by the movement of consciousness. It detaches from consciousness because it tries to solve the problem at the mental level, not at the level of consciousness, at the archetypal level, intuitive level at the creative level. So to get back to the creative level, we got to get our feelings back. So we got to start examining the feelings in the body. We got to awaken the heart, we got to awaken the naval chakra.

We have to awaken the brow chakra. When all these chakras are awakened, then we are fully alive. That’s the state that we’re looking at. And then positive emotions that we build with this exploration and embodiment, this positive emotion to balance all those negativity that makes us get into work, that makes us get into domination, makes us get into balance. All those negative emotions can be balanced and overcome by these positive emotions. That is the trick. So we have to just recognize that many of us, about half of humanity, do not have much positive emotion at all. They go to Word, they become violent because they don’t know what it is to be nonviolent. They don’t know what it is to love. They don’t know what it is to help somebody. So it is our job, those who know to teach the others that do not know. So this is why my passage in the book is to grow people. My favorite sentence is if you can, you can’t change, you must change. You must develop positive emotion, change your own ance of negativity and help others to change their preponderance of negativity.

Lorne Brown 

I love it. And that idea of the feeling, I often when I’m working, I learned this, how I learned it and how I share it that you can’t think your way through this. So when I have patients and they want to figure this out, I’m like, you can’t think your way through this. We got to go from here, from the head into the heart. This is an experience. You got to feel it. So when we do conscious work, we do bring up these uncomfortable feelings and I have tools and a process, but you’re not pushing them away. You’re not denying suppressing, you’re actually metabolizing. You allow them to come up. It’s a whole fun process, but you remind me of that. You can’t think your way through this. It’s actually you’re thinking that got you into the problem, meaning made, right? And you got to get into feeling. And it’s amazing because so many stages have talked about it and until you experience it, your books and the latest book I think gives us a guide and a way to tap into consciousness. So it kind of works through you and to do all the wonderful things we’re talking about. We heal and then when we heal, we’re part of that participatory group that changes society, which people want. They want to have some peace and joy in their lives.

Amit Goswami 

Yeah, exactly.

Lorne Brown 

So I asked last time, how many times have you gone around the sun now? Where are you now on your birthdays? I’m curious.

I am 1888 and still writing books. And I saw Valentina a little bit earlier and she said, you’re writing another book. So this book is the Ascent of Humanity, Quantum Biology in our Future. Thank you. I know you’re writing another book with Valentina. I think that’s awesome. And then I encourage our listeners to go to the links we have there for the Center for Quantum Activism that Amigo Swami is a big part of. I’ve actually interviewed one person on our program that went and did their PhD through you guys. I believe they found you through our earlier podcast, and then they went and studied with you and thought it was the best thing ever. So thank you. Check out the show notes for more information on Amit in all of his books. And again, another shout out because humanity needs it, the ascent of humanity, quantum biology, and our future. If you’re not liking what you see in this world, then I recommend this book. It may give you a different perspective and also help you change your software. So software changes, you’ll get new hardware or a different style of hardware. Anyhow, running. Amit, any last words you’d like to share with our listeners before we wrap up?

Amit Goswami 

Yes, I would like to say that indeed we do not only talk about things, we do things. So we indeed have a training center university where we are giving master’s and PhD degrees and certification too for people who want it in order to join this adventure that we talked about this whole hour. If you can, you must. So if you feel like you can transform, join us, get a master’s degree, get a PhD degree, and you’ll find that you are in the process. Not only do you get a degree, which is just some concept that our degree is not like that. Our degree is concept plus transformation. You’ll get some transformation, you’ll become a different person. You’ll want to be able to participate in the Story movement in the movement of consciousness. This is what we want you to do. My website is amitgoswami.org, A-M-I-T-G-O-S-W-A-M-I.org. And you can write to me at info@amitgoswami.org and I will get back to you promise.

Lorne Brown 

Awesome. Thank you very much Amit. And we’ll put that in the show notes as well as your website. Wishing you well and look forward to reading more books by you. Thank you very much for letting me know about this book and the opportunity to talk to you about it as well.

Amit Goswami 

You’re so welcome. Thank you.

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