Your Body Is Always Listening: The Science of Self-Healing with Dr. Kim D’Eramo

Kim D’Eramo 

I finally let my body be right. It’s not my enemy. It’s here to give me a really important message. And it changed my life because what I received, the first thing I was aware of was you’ve been chasing to avoid failure. You’ve been running from your fear of failure and using achievement as a way to modulate that. And that has to stop. You don’t have to fight to achieve. You’re here to be a great physician and have an amazing life of contribution that you want, and you don’t have to chase it. And that was the first time I ever let that turn off. And as soon as I did, all my symptoms went away.

Lorne Brown 

By listening to the Coherence Code Podcast, you agree to not use this podcast as medical advice to treat any medical condition, either in yourself or others. Consult your own physician or healthcare provider for any medical issues that you may be having. This entire disclaimer also applies to any guests or contributors to the podcast. Welcome to the Coherence Code Podcast, where we explore how the mind and body work together so you can move from stress and inner conflict to clarity, calm, and alignment. My name is Lorne Brown. I’m a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine and a clinical epitherapist. And through my work, I’ve seen that healing happens when we remove what gets in the way and allow the body and the nervous system to do what they’re designed to do to heal. Welcome to the Coherence Code Podcast.

Today, I’m speaking with someone who has fundamentally changed how we think about healing. Dr. Kim D’Eramo. Now, Kim began as a board certified physician, trained in the most conventional parts of medicine, and yet her own life took a radically different direction from developing a severe autoimmune illness during med school, by the way. And she was told she’d be on medication for the rest of her life and she’s a runner and that she couldn’t run ever again and that her systems would only get worse. But something extraordinary happened. So instead of collapsing under the diagnosis, she turned inward. And what unfolded became the foundation, I think, of her life’s work. Now, today, Kim teaches about the intersection of consciousness, emotion, physiology, and the body’s innate ability to heal. Her ABC process, awareness, breath, choose, has helped thousands shift out of chronic patterns that nothing else could even touch.

And she integrates mind-body medicine, nervous system regulation. I’m going to try and pronounce it, Ho’oponopono. Remember Joe Vitale, everybody? I had him in an episode, I can’t remember, 120 something. We talked about that on a ponopono. You’ll have to tell me how we pronounce it. But she brings this nervous system regulation, hoonopono-pono, movement, and what I would call the future of healthcare, a system rooted in presence rather than pathology. Now, we’re going to explore all that today, how emotions drive, physical symptoms, what real healing requires, and how each of us can step out of our fear-driven living and into a different internal state altogether. So Kim, I’m thrilled to have you here today.

Kim D’Eramo 

I’m thrilled to be here today. It’s so good to connect with you and be able to contribute to this.

Lorne Brown

Now, you’re our doctor of osteopathic medicine. You’re the founder of the American Institute of Mindbody Medicine, author of the Mindbody Toolkit and author of the book, Be Your Own Healer, right?

Kim D’Eramo 

Yes.

Lorne Brown 

And we have a friend in common, Dr. Peta Stapleton, who also did an episode on my podcast, episode 11. She’s our EFT guru, The Science of Tapping. And that’s how we got introduced.

Kim D’Eramo 

Well, I got to work with Peta in Australia a couple years ago too. We both spoke at an event, so I’ve known her for years, but it was so great to meet her. And she’s doing so much pioneering in this field. So it’s great to have people laying down the foundation for understanding the research and the data. But for me, it’s clinical. I work with people directly and see the results.

Lorne Brown

I want to know your … And I think our listeners too, I want to start off with your personal experience, and then I want to get into your ABC. And for our listeners, I have everything called NAC. And I am going to tell you, you’re going to have some fun with this. We are so aligned on this. So let’s first start, because I touched upon it in our intro. So you’re in med school, and I think you even did maybe emergency medicine later on, but you get this diagnosis. So can you walk us through this story and who was Kim back then, and then who is Kim now based on this whole, what I call opportunities to heal or wake up calls?

Kim D’Eramo 

I was always really intuitive, energy sensitive, could feel emotion, could read deeper into what was happening in a person. And you immerse yourself in something, whether it’s a movie or a conversation, and your thoughts affect your physiology. And so when you’re immersed and you’re that, I guess, that kind of person, your cells are really deeply listening. And so here we are in medical school studying pathology and disease and everything that can go wrong with the body and what you focus on expands. And so my cells began manifesting all kinds of symptoms and all kinds of weird illnesses, and it didn’t make a lot of sense. But I realized after the third round of some obscure illness that my symptoms matched the system we were studying in. So I had these heart palpitations while we’re in cardiology, and sure enough, they found there’s a murmur, there’s an abnormal valve.

We need to do an echo and look at an ultrasound. And I was lying there like, wait a minute, that looks just like the page in my book. And it still didn’t really hit me. It sounds so weird to say it now, but then I just developed this weird asthmatic condition while we were studying the respiratory system. And then finally, I developed severe constipation. And I’m asking my mom, “I did this and I did that and just things are not moving.” And she was always my go- to. She’s pretty intuitive too. And she goes, “Well, I don’t know, aren’t there doctors at the school that you can talk to about this? ” And that’s when it clicked. I was like, “Actually, yeah. And the guys who are here this week are the GI guys because we’re studying the GI system.” And so I went up and asked him and he told me what to do and I realized there’s something weird going on.

And I didn’t know. It’s unconscious. My cells were listening. Fast forward, by second year, I had a really obscure autoimmune disease. I had chronic fatigue and severe, severe joint pain, unrelenting back pain, knee pain, neck pain. And I went to every doctor because they are at the school or at the clinic or they’d send me to a specialist. And I finally ended up at this allergy doctor in the Harvard system and he tested, they inject you with everything. And I was inflamed by all of these allergens. And he’s like, “You have a severe rheumatoid, like a late onset juvenile rheumatoid arthritis.” And I was like, “What?” And it fit the bill as far as the logistics. But when he went on and on about what I was going to have to do and all these medications I’d have to take every day and I’d have to be in a controlled environment and don’t use these cleaning solutions and don’t have curtains and rugs.

And I was like, wait a minute, this, I’m sorry, it was my third year. It was my third year by then. We were living in hospitals. I’m not controlling the cleaning solutions environment. So my head was spinning, I’m never going to run again. And then I all of a sudden sort of snapped out of it and realized, wait a minute, what if this is not true for me? I understood mind, body medicine. In osteopathic medicine, we learned that the mind and body are connected, that the body has the ability to heal itself and that our thoughts inform me, our nervous system kind of governs everything. And so I knew this and I’d studied this, but I hadn’t really ever been given the how to as far as what to do about it until this happened. And I realized I’ve got to apply this. It’s not enough to just understand it in a book.

I’m in real time looking at what’s going on. And that was the day after that diagnosis, I switched from asking, “What’s wrong with me, what’s wrong with me, what’s wrong?” And fiercely trying to fix it and get ahead of it and get on to the next thing. And that day started asking, “Okay, body, what are you trying to tell me? ” I started listening. So it was like, “What’s right about this? I’m not getting it. What is my body asking me to receive?” And I really for the first time listened from a space of what’s right about this as opposed to a space of attack. I’m going to fight this. What do I have to do? What do I have to do? And that shifted everything because literally that day my body shifted and my body shifted because, well, obviously you’re not in fight or flight anymore when you’re receptively listening.

I wouldn’t have had that language for it though. I just knew I finally let my body be right. It’s not my enemy. It’s here to give me a really important message. And that changed my life because what I received, the first thing I was aware of was you’ve been chasing to avoid failure. You’ve been running from your fear of failure and using achievement as a way to modulate that. And that has to stop. You don’t have to fight to achieve. You’re here to be a great physician and have an amazing life of contribution that you want and you don’t have to chase it. And that was the first time I ever let that turn off. And as soon as I did, all my symptoms went away.

Lorne Brown

So when you’re sharing your story and you had this experience, first of all, when you talked about, they told you this is the disease you have and you’re going to go on meds, can’t exercise, there’s a part of you that just said, no, I’m not going to believe in this story, is what I heard.

Kim D’Eramo 

Yeah. First I was devastated and almost started sobbing. And then it was like a pause and I just got curious. Like we were saying before- Curious. Hawkins, curiosity. And it was more of a like, wait, what if this is not true for me? And I knew inside it’s not.

Lorne Brown 

So there’s two things that happen because I want to slow it down because it happened fast, but there are ways to do it. And I think the tools you offer allow people to get there. So here’s my interpretation. First of all, I’ll quote something I heard the medical doctor and prolific writer, Deepak Chopra once said, “It’s okay to believe in your diagnosis, but you don’t have to believe in your prognosis.” What I saw there, because I had that experience myself where I chased things, CPA first, now Dr. Chinese medicine, all the things, I’m never celebrating any achievements, next one, next one. And I became clear, I got to know other people by knowing myself that I am so damn insecure. I am so insecure, which is why I’m so apparently successful on the outside because I’m trying to feel something that I can’t feel from the outside.

Sounds like you had, and that’s that drive you were sharing, right? The drive. And what I heard you say is you can still have these achievements on the outside, but what’s behind you going for these achievements rather than trying to fill that insecurity? You’re already whole and okay, and you can have both at the same time. In your experience, what I saw there or what I’m seeing is you said you were devastated. And I say sometimes life will bring you to your knees and it forces you to surrender, meaning the resistance drops because you stop fighting with it. First, you didn’t, and then you just had this shift. And to me, it’s all about resistance. Chinese medicine is called cheese stagnation. And when your resistance dropped, all of a sudden flow and receptivity happened, flow happens again and your symptoms went away.

Because in Chinese medicine, when chi stagnates, emotions stuck to energy in your body is what we call cheese stagnation. So that’s the trauma of the stuck energy. It doesn’t feel good. It causes pain, long-term disease. And when the chi returns and it flows, healing comes back and pain goes away. So through your process, that’s what I saw happen instantly for you, but I want to unpack it and tell people, how do you do this purposely? Because you’re either going to do it being brought to your knees by life, God help me, I surrender, or you can purposely learn to let go, learn to surrender, learn to accept what is and bring the resistance down purposely. Did I see you when I just described what happened to you?

Kim D’Eramo

Yes, very, very precisely. And that’s when I came up with the instant elevation process, it was after so many people would say, “How did you do that? How did you do that? And what is the process?” And I realized it can be segmented in a sequential way and taught and it can be reproduced. And so super easy awareness, breathing, choice. And so the first part’s the most important where I became aware of my inner state instead of trying to run away from it because most of the things we feel are not conscious like you would, I don’t know, the inadequacy or fear or what might have come up for me then, like a sense of urgency, I wasn’t aware of that. I was just running on it like fast, fast, doing this, doing that, maybe pushing, but that created the physiologic state that suppressed my immune system and created the illness.

So if I became aware, that’s what I did that day. I became aware of this drive and this fear and this urgency, and I was in a pause with it instead of a reaction to it.

Lorne Brown

All right. So first part’s awareness. And we’re going to talk about the ABCs and I’m going to keep connecting because my listeners heard this. I call it notice, except choose again. Just so you know, the last Choose. So we have some fun stuff to talk about here, but I want to hear your whole process and then I want to link it. And for my listeners, why I got excited about Kim, why I wanted to invite her. And so Kim, here’s part of the story we didn’t get a chance to share offline. I’ve studied Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, Lynn McTaggart. I train in hypnosis. I do the training for myself. I want to heal. I want to share with my community. So a lot of reading, workshop training. I’m a kinesthetic learner. One day out of nowhere, when you get a download, you don’t know it, and then next thing you know it’s just instant, right?

All of a sudden I realize everybody’s doing the same thing. Some call it 10 steps, four steps, two steps, but everybody’s doing notice except choose again. And when I read your material, I was like, there’s … So I can lay notice, except choose again over EFT, by the way, too, so we can unpack that. I don’t know if you listened to my episode with Joe Vitale. I put NAC over his whole Ho’oponopono. He loved it because it was just one day I just realized this is how healing happens and it’s a process. And then any team can fit into it. Any tool, EFT, PsychK, EMDR, internal part systems, it all fits in.

Kim D’Eramo 

Yeah. And it’s spot on. It’s exactly the same overlay. And it’s because we’re all organically listening to the source consciousness or the life force or whatever. And then you’re kind of decoding what is the process of allowing it to flourish through the body. Well, it’s universal. We’re all going to come up with the same thing, but you have a different name or different way of expressing it. And it’s great that so many people are saying this, because we mentioned Akartole before when we came on Ekartoli. It is very esoteric. You’re like, “What is the book about? ” I have no idea. But something happens when you read it. And then there’s other people who maybe can’t really hear that and need something like a Lorne Brown and they can hear it from you. And so it’s really about how it comes through and we’re all different.

Lorne Brown 

So the first part is awareness. And this is why it’s so important to everybody. In Buddhism, I think they say light transforms darkness. Darkness are those uncomfortable feelings. Darkness are those unconscious programs that don’t serve you and light is awareness. And when you bring light to the darkness, it transforms. That’s how powerful awareness is. So your first step is A, awareness. Can you talk a little bit more about awareness?

Kim D’Eramo 

See, if you just bring your presence to the body from a curious question like, “Hey body, how are we doing?” A lot of times our awareness is, “If there’s something wrong, what’s wrong? I got to do this. I got to do that. Maybe I have cancer.” And that does the opposite effect and it actually contracts the body so we get less awareness.

Lorne Brown 

Creates resistance.

Kim D’Eramo 

Yeah, it creates resistance. But if we have that openness and receptivity, it’s just a check-in. And people can do it as a body scan and you’re kind of just sensing through the whole body. I have people connect with the heart because you’re activating heart coherence and just begin to connect that way. And what I’m aware of could be, “Wow, there’s a lot of fear here.” Or, “Ooh, I’m speaking so fast. Let me just slow it down a little and get a little more in my coherence.” But awareness does the whole thing. And it’s the most important part of the three steps because we talk about conscious choice. You can’t make a conscious choice when you’re in fight or flight and you’re in your fear. And that’s what I was trying to do. “I’m going to exercise. I’m going to eat. I’m going to do meditation.

“But it was all out of a fear of inadequacy or an attempt to escape or avoid failure. Well, you’re going to create more fear.

Lorne Brown 

So let’s unpack this. This is probably, like you said, awareness is the key step. And this is what’s so powerful what you’re saying. And it reminds me of Victor Frankl’s quote that I modified where he says,” In every situation, you either unconsciously habitually react or you can consciously choose to respond is kind of the idea. And Victor Frankel, he wrote the Man’s Search for meeting the psychiatrist, Holocaust Survivor.

Kim D’Eramo 

It’s so weird you’re saying, because I’ve never read that book. And this morning, I started reading it on audio, for like a half an hour, because there’ve been so much of a depth of upheaval in my life right now. Well, when you were talking about the story of when this happened way back, I started kind of hearing up, realizing, oh, I’m in another of that moment to a new evolution of my life. And it’s been so profoundly destabilizing that it just brought up so much of the unknown and uncertainty. And I mean, that’s a moment that’s right for change, so it’s great. But I started reading that book this morning for the first

Lorne Brown 

Time. Well, perfect. And this is for all of us because I mean, how many of us are in upheaval right now? And you talk of it and I talk of it the external world is a reflection of our inner world and the Buddhist echo through suffering comes awakening, there’s a collective awakening. And I would share it, and we’re going to get into what you talked about with the awareness, and I want to bring in Victor Frankl’s work, but when you have this collective awakening that I think is happening, and we’re seeing it on an individual level and on a collective, you can either co-create with it or co-participate with tools like ABC or not, and you’ll blow fuses.

And the Buddhist say, again, pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. So that doesn’t mean that when you’re having these wake-ups, like you’re destabilized, it doesn’t mean it’s not uncomfortable. It is uncomfortable, but Eckhart says you can be at peace in an unhappy situation. And so you use these tools to metabolize to sit in it so they move through you, which is what we’re going to talk more about. But I want to share Victor Frankl’s stuff with what you’re doing here. So because you talked about you were chasing or doing things, but you’re coming from fear and lack. And so what I took from his quote, what kind of resonated or hit home for me is that it’s not the action that matters, it’s the beingness behind the action. And you’re either out of … If you come from fear and lack, so if you’re cloned and your clones are doing the exact same thing, but one is coming from fear and lack and one’s coming from whole and complete, even though the actions are identical and they’re clones, because the being is behind the action is different, they get different results.

So fear and lack gets more fear and lack, whole and complete gets more whole and complete. So right action must follow right thinking, but first you have to get into that right thinking or get into presence or beingness. And that’s what I think you were sharing right now when you said awareness, get into awareness, drop the resistance so you can find that presence. So flow and receptivity comes through you again, you tap into the higher self, and then usually inspired action comes through you and you take that action.

Kim D’Eramo 

Yeah. And that’s exactly right on.

Lorne Brown

And then after awareness, we go to B.

Kim D’Eramo 

So B for me is to breathe. And it’s exactly what you’re saying about accepting because you’re allowing the breath to come through whatever may feel resistant or difficult or painful. And you’re embracing the emotions that are there, you’re allowing … It’s a nervous system shift too. So from the fight or flight state, we’re breathing mostly into the upper lung fields. And when we shift our breath to a belly breath, which it can take a few minutes or even days of just kind of mindful practice to let the body shift, if you’ve been there for years and you haven’t done this, but then it does become something that your body’s already doing all the time and it’s just a gentle reminder. So the belly’s expanding out with the inhale, it’s sinking back in with the exhale. And if I have people just like to tighten up their shoulders and make fists and then inhale, and then if you exhale and you relax, you’re automatically coming more into belly breath.

So out of the sympathetic, into the parasympathetic, and your nervous system switches. And so that physiologically alone will allow more of the dissolution, digestion of the stuck energy and stuck emotion and resistance and blah, blah, blah. But when you add to it, what you’re talking about with acceptance, I will breathe in this moment that’s uncomfortable, I will breathe and allow the grief. So you can’t soften your body and stay in resistance to the same degree. You can’t soften your body and stay numb. You’re going to begin feeling things you didn’t feel, but you’re going in the right direction. And most people think, “I don’t want to feel this. I want to feel this. I must be wrong.” And so they just live clamped down and closed, but real healing can’t happen in that state. Sometimes you have to let it come out.

So when you soften the body, you do a more full breath, your body’s already beginning to heal and shift and digest everything ready to go. And it also immediately changes your brain state from where I was resistant, what’s wrong with me is wrong with me, but not receptive. So I could never really … You get the answer, “What’s wrong with you? Oh, here’s another problem and another problem.”

But I didn’t ever get the, what would solve this or what’s right about this or what one thing could allow an opening. So when you do allow this shift in step B, your brain becomes receptive to solutions.

Lorne Brown 

Do you find that, because the way you’re saying this, the question like, “What’s wrong with me versus is there a message here or how’s this happening for me? ” There’s a frequency with the question. And so do you think based on the question you have is kind of the information you’re going to receive?

Kim D’Eramo 

Yes. If the receptivity is there, because people do affirmations all the time and they’re not receptive, “Oh, I’m open to everything and what’s the solution here?” And I probably did that too. I’m open to solutions, but if you haven’t done A and you haven’t shifted your nervous system, you’re not really receptive. So yeah, it automatically allows that receptivity. And so then if you’re asking the question, which is like for C is the conscious choice. So you either ask a better question or you kind of focus on your intention or you begin to look at what is my, what’s my real purpose and vision? Yeah, I want to fix my body, but I just want to be free and be at peace. So that’s kind of what the next step is like, what is it I am looking for? And for me, it shifted to what’s right about this I’m not getting.

And it shifted to, how could I be in a different space so my body could heal?

Lorne Brown 

So I want to unpack your A, B a bit and your C with you. So because you talked about your mind changes. So when you’re fighting with reality, and Byron K, another great writer says, when you fight with reality, you suffer. We call that, she calls that stress. In conscious work, I call that resistance. Chinese medicine calls it cheese stagnation. It does not feel good. And when you fight with reality, you go into a sympathetic state because your body goes into survival. And you talked about the gut, right? Then the breathing goes shallow. So sympathetic, your energy is mobilized for survival, therefore it’s not around for healing, creativity, reproduction. And when you can sit with this through your awareness, breath and awareness, the resistance drops. You go from sympathetic to parasympathetic. Oh, by the way, your brain goes from high beta, anxiety, worry to low beta or even alpha, which alpha is that present moment.

And all of a sudden those resources become available now for healing, creativity, and reproduction. So that’s how I understand. And now we have research, you’re a physician, psychoneuroimmunology. We know, because you said the thoughts affect your cells, affect your physiology. We now know that your thoughts and feelings impact your hormonal system, your immune system, your endocrine system. We know that now. So you have awareness, breathe, and choose. Can I align this with notice, accept, choose again? And you jump in now for me and tell me, bring in your stuff. So I say notice, notice everything is neutral and then we give it meaning. We’re meaning makers. And the meaning we give it is through the lens of our subconscious programming, things that we brought in intergenerationally or got imprinted on us when we were children. We didn’t choose it. We don’t blame. There’s no benefit to blaming others, but that’s the nervous system we have.

That’s the program of beliefs we got. So we perceive the world through our lenses. I’ve heard a conscious teacher say everything. Think of reality as white snow and you get red glasses, I got blue glasses, somebody else has orange, green. We all see the white snow, but we all have a different experience of perception because of our lens. And the work that we’re doing is changing the lens and every time we change the lens, we have a new experience of that white snow. And maybe if you become fully awake and alive in this world, the glasses are off and you just see white snow, right? Maybe you will get there. So notice. Or maybe you

Kim D’Eramo 

Take them off for a few minutes a day or an hour a day, or maybe sometimes you have a half a day.

Lorne Brown 

Yeah. So that’s the notice part. Then the A is the acceptance we’re many tools, and I love EFT for this. Acceptance doesn’t mean you resigned to it, doesn’t mean you like it. It just means you’re not going to fight with what is. And you’re being authentic. At this moment, I feel afraid. At this moment, I feel stupid. At this moment, I don’t feel pretty enough. I don’t feel enough. You’re just accepting that because it seems counterintuitive, but that takes the resistance out of it. And Ed Kartolli says, when you’re present, when you’re conscious, so after you do A, B, or after you do N/A, as I call it, the choose again is he says you can remove yourself from the situation consciously, or you can change or improve the situation consciously. And if you cannot remove yourself, change or improve the situation, you can continue to accept what is and be at peace in an unhappy situation at that moment.

Kim D’Eramo 

That’s the whole thing.

Lorne Brown 

We tuned into it, A? We got the same antenna going, A, with that, right?

Kim D’Eramo 

Yes, it’s true. Then there’s one truth and some different ways we’ve all interacted with it and deciphered it. And in the Be Your Own Healer book, I have a chapter that was about how we block it, neutrality blocks. We have this, I am, that I am, and this expansive self, and then what blocks that? And so one of the things is like, I just want to stay here. I don’t want to let this go. And then boom, now you’re in attachment. But one of the things that you just spoke to is thinking I’m the one who doesn’t. I’m digesting the apple. Your body heals itself. And so it’s not really so much, I’m healing myself, I’m activating self-healing, it’s I’m releasing the resistance that was inhibiting my natural state is wellbeing and health and the body is always doing it, but if I’m blocking it, it’s not going to do it so well.

So if all I’m doing is releasing the resistance, it gets activated, it is active, it’s happening, your body’s already healing. And so it’s way less about the do than it is about the B.

Lorne Brown 

Yes. And what we’re doing, our ABC or NAC is a colleague psychotherapist who’s Realize Ellie Rak. I got this from Amit Gaswami because he says, “Do be, do, be, do. ” So that’s that idea of get present and then right action falls right thinking. So get into beingness and then do and being this and do. And that’s what we’re doing. So I said to Ellie, I said, when I read Eckhart’s book, he talked about the power of now and I said, I needed a how do now. So this process is for those left brainers that need a little doing to get into being before they do different doing. And he said, “It’s not a doing.” And I go, “What are you talking about? ” He goes, “It looks like doing, but what your process is, is an undoing.” We’re unwinding, aren’t we? It’s an undoing.

The AV is an undoing. We’re getting rid of the noise. The light’s already there. There’s nothing to add. We’re just getting rid of the noise. And we talked off camera about the women I see for perimenopause or fertility. Sometimes their labs are perfect. It makes no sense, but their cycles are not perfect, but the blood work is perfect. So the hypothalamus pituitary axis, everything’s there, but the noise is the issue. So think of this, everybody. You’ve got the radio playing, the music, you can hear it, but there’s all this static. So you can kind of hear it, but you can’t hear it or enjoy it. So you have the hormone signaling, but there’s so much inflammation in the body. There’s so much resistance in the body that although from the lab work, it looks like, yeah, the song’s playing, but your cells can’t hear it.

And so what we’re doing here is removing the noise, removing the static, and now you hear it clearly.

Kim D’Eramo 

Well, and even for the people where the labs are off, when we do the consciousness work and allow a shift, it can ignite the body to begin to create the hormones in the right amounts, in the right cycles, et cetera. And B, what I’ve seen is that person automatically, like a synchronicity, serendipitous thing, finds the exact needle in a haystack medicine or homeopathic or practitioner or whatever. So it’s universal. The

Lorne Brown 

Synchronicity, you’re saying the synchronicity happens, right? All of a sudden the right person, the right thing shows up.

Kim D’Eramo 

Yeah. It’s wild because I’ve had people where we’ve done a session and we’ve shifted their consciousness. And this one woman had years of hyperthyroid. A lot of the people that I’m working with were correcting both thyroids. She had hyper and was in the hospital, in and out of the hospital for a crisis. And it was devastating. And the day after we did the work to shift her, she magically found the right homeopathic that changed the whole game in her system. And she’s like, it was a needle in a haystack. She’d been working with a homeopath before she tried this, she tried that, but because she wasn’t in the alignment for that result, it just didn’t work. So once you shift, all of these things align and then you just know, yep, I’m going to work with this one person or I’m going to take that thing.

And it can be a pharmaceutical, it could be surgical, it could be food. Don’t be judgmental about the way universal source energy is going to guide you for your healing path. It’s a buffet. All of it is under God. All of it is on … Everything can be a medicine or a poison.

Lorne Brown 

And how it comes to you sometimes is like, that’s how you know it’s come from the universe because it’s like, I would never expect this and it actually should not come this way, but here it is. I have another thing I want to ask you because you’re a clinician. And so as of the time of our recording, it’s been over a year in my practice. So I use needles in low level laser therapy in my clinic and I have a nice vibro acoustic soundtable. So I’m working at getting people to be parasympathetic because when they’re parasympathetic, they heal. And then the majority of my practice is doing conscious work with people. A thing that I do that they don’t know I’m doing, but because you mentioned it in your work, is while I’m working with them, I use my version of Honopono in them. And I want to see what you’re doing with it.

I want you to explain what it is. And what I mean by that is when I’m working with them, whatever’s coming up for me while I’m working with them is when I’m homopono. I’m not admitting anything to the patient. It’s just like all of a sudden if patient’s struggling and a thought comes up, oh, they’re not going to get well and I feel frustrated or I feel imposter syndrome, while they’re sitting there with the needles and laser and doing the work, I’m like, “Oh, look what came up with me. ” And then I just started to work on it. And I’m always amazed how before our 50 minute hour ends, at 45 minutes, it’s like this is never going away. And then in the last five minutes, the just poof, the shift they have and they’re sitting there processing, but I’m doing stuff too and I’m using Honopono.

I’m curious, because you talked about it, how do you use it and can maybe explain to the audience a bit, because I don’t think I can give, except for Joe’s interview, I don’t know if I can give a good explanation and I’d love to know how

Kim D’Eramo 

You use that. I was so stoked about this. So when I learned this, I was working in the ER. I read Joe’s book that he wrote with Dr. Hew Len and I immediately were like, “This is like a holy grail. This is something very potent. I want to learn everything I can. And I went online because he kept talking about a workshop that they do and sure enough, there was a workshop with Hulen and I’m thinking, “I’m going to fly here. I’m going to fly there. I have this one weekend off from the ER.” It was like 12 minutes away from my house. And it was the following weekend. It was the same weekend I had off and I’m like, “Oh my gosh.” So I worked with Hulen, did this workshop and just absorbed everything I could. And immediately, even just from reading the book, I started running that four-part mantra, super basic.

We’ll share it in a moment. I just constantly had that running in the background, like records playing in my system all the time. I would wake up in the morning to, “I love you. I love you. I love it. ” And still to this day, it’s still there.

Lorne Brown 

I wake up at night sometimes saying, “I’m sorry, please forgive me. I love you. ” I’ll wake up in a dream. It’s crazy, right?

Kim D’Eramo 

So I love you. Please forget. I love you. I’m sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. Whatever order you like. Or you could just keep saying thank you or keep saying I love you. But here’s what happened. I was practicing osteopathic medicine. I had a practice at the time and I was working with people with pain, but then it was more mind, body stuff that would come. And I realized while I’m on the body, because you get your hands on the body and you’re perceiving what’s going on and that if I was Ho’oponopono or just using the mantra as I noticed whatever arose in me as I was treating and observing the patient, magical things would happen, like massive acceleration of the healing process. And I was like, whoa. And I talked to all my osteopathic colleagues about it because we went to this workshop up in Maine where we had gone to medical school and I was like, “You guys, this is amazing and blah, blah, blah.

And here’s what it’s like. ” And then I shared what I’m going to share with you about what’s really going on. And they just looked at me like I had six heads. And these were people who liked it, this was their full-time thing. I was doing it part-time and I was in the ER and these were some of the people I respected the most. And I was like, “You guys don’t get this. You guys don’t get this. ” And I thought, “Well, I’m in the wrong room here. This is massive.” So what I’m seeing is we are affecting each other all the time. And if you’ve ever done remote work, like I work with people remotely now and we do stuff on Zoom, but I’ll work on their system remotely outside of the session or have a hit, send a text and they’re like, “Oh my God, how did you know?

” This was exactly what I needed to hear. And I was just about to walk into divorce court to get custody of my children back. Some weird synchronicities happened because we are actually connected. So when I am observing what’s happening in me, either that signal’s going through, which are like radio signals all around us, fear, fear, you’re not enough, you’re about to die. It’s not okay. And that’s getting on board, programming and instructing my physiology, or I can choose what reigns here and I can put the messaging. “I love you. I’m sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. “And then there is a deeper level to what that is transmuting that I’ll touch on. But all I did really in the beginning was I would just use that you’re clearing. He would say,” Clean, clean, clean. “People would ask questions.

Lorne Brown 

Clean, clean, clean.

Kim D’Eramo 

Blah, blah, blah. And he’d be like, ” Clean, clean, clean. “He was like, ” Is he not going to teach? Is he not going to answer the questions? “But then you get it. After a while, you’re like, ” Oh, it’s basically telling the rational mind like, Shut up. That’s not what we’re doing. Get here now over and over. “Because when you do it, there are no questions. You’re insanity, you’re in clarity. And so I would do that in my system. Now, we are electromagnetic. My electromagic field is influencing and impacting my patient’s electromagnetic field very powerfully, not subtly. And so if I’m in my, ” I love you, I’m sorry, please forgive me. Thank you. That is the most prominent frequency in my system that’s going to override any blocks that they have to the treatment, any interference, any whatever, fill in the blank, to let them receive the most.

Lorne Brown 

I love it. And I’ll share Joe Vitale’s episode where we really unpack this as 1:23 for those that are listening and because people go, “What do you mean I’m sorry? What do you mean I forgive you? ” It’s not so simple. And then what I want to touch on with your work is the I love you part because we had a really good conversation. Joe and I do this because of loving you, some people think about it as Hollywood love, like romantic love. And when we do awareness or acceptance, that’s a form of love. Love is accepting is a form of self-love. Loving doesn’t mean you like it because people go, “Well, I don’t love this. I don’t love my cancer.” The word to me is accept it because you have a diagnosis of cancer. It doesn’t mean, again, Deepak Chopra, you don’t have to believe in the prognosis, but you have a diagnosis of it.

Can you accept that and can you bring the resistance down? That to me is part of that I love you. And then on the esoteric side is, you know how we talked about your tuning into your higher self. Everybody I’ve had on the late Bill Bankston, I’ve had him on a couple times. He’s done a lot of work studying cancer and rats on purpose and doing energy healing and their healing. When I interviewed him and I distilled it down and what did this? And what he says, it comes down to love. Here’s a scientist. Almost everybody uses this term love. And love to me is another term probably for consciousness. And from the rational mind where I’m at is just keep practicing acceptance, surrender acceptance because that gets you in that loving state I have found.

Kim D’Eramo 

Yeah. And bringing the breath to the spaces of anger, pain, fear, fill in the blank, whatever I’m resisting is a form of love. And that’s what brings healing. And so the second thing I was going to mention with, I love you, I’m sorry, please forgive me, thank you, is an inner process of transmutation. So I love you if I allow you to be here exactly as you are to myself, to my system without requiring you to change. I love you exactly as you are. So that’s like so potent for healing. I’m sorry for the part of me that experienced the suffering as real, that I really am lacking and I really am not enough and it really isn’t safe and I really do have to struggle. Is it true with a capital T? No. But did I experience it as if it was?

Yes. So can I just acknowledge that? Because when I was working in my osteopathic clinic, like so many people, my fibromyalgia and my chronic fatigue, the biggest thing that would allow that to unwind was validating what they have been through. You really have been a trooper and this really has been excruciating and I’m so sorry you experienced this in your reality. And then when they would just receive that, something would let go and now they were receptive. If I just tried to give them whatever the healing was and that didn’t happen first, nothing. So I love you. I’m

Lorne Brown 

Sorry. In that part, when you say I’m sorry to that part, you’re not saying you agree with it. You’re saying, “I see you. ” There’s that part that is feeling fear, is suffering and you’re acknowledging and that Gordon Neufeld, the attachment therapist, everybody wants to be seen and heard equals loved. And so when you come alongside and bring awareness to it, and as you said, I’m sorry you’re feeling this way, or Joe and I talked about, “I’m sorry I went unconscious because I believe I’m sorry.” There’s a notice, “I’m sorry I believed in the story and I’m suffering to myself, that is a form of seeing that part of you. And when that part feels seen, it feels loved.”

Kim D’Eramo 

Yes. And that’s the, please forgive me is when it feels love, it can let go of the illusion of separation, lack and fear. It can’t do that until it’s seen in the validity because we are in love and that person suffering holding onto it is actually an expression of how much I care, how willing I am to do whatever it takes. We got to validate that. And then please forgive me. Whenever you’re ready, you can let this go. So now that they’ve received whatever it was they really needed to be seen, the please forgive me is a really effortless thing. And then thank you is just the exclamation point at the end of validating that it is done.

Lorne Brown 

Gratitude.

Kim D’Eramo 

Yeah.

Lorne Brown 

Thank you. Gratitude brings you into receptive mode. As we wrap up, a couple of rapid fire kind of a question. So do you subscribe to the idea that chronic or stuck illness is almost always emotional or belief roots, belief root based?

Kim D’Eramo

I do. And that’s because in my experience, it resolves when we do this work. And I wouldn’t say just belief, but there’s a lot of things in the energy field like memories, conclusions, assumptions, lineage, all kinds of things, but it’s energetic. And when we resolve the energy, the illness, I mean 100% will resolve. The chronic things that aren’t getting better doesn’t mean we don’t get to have an exit strategy and there’s a transition and death of the body. And doesn’t mean that illness is wrong, but these chronic ill states people are living in for like sometimes years, I have seen resolve sometimes very quickly when we resolve the underlying energy.

Lorne Brown 

And clinically, have you found, because again, I find there’s so much similarities here. So I’m like, “Hey, have you found this? ” Clinically, and it’s changed a bit, somewhere around age 40, the people I see when they’re hit around 40, plus or minus a few years, stuff that used to work, the more they physically stop working. And I interpret it as, “Oh, it’s a wake-up call.” There’s a part of them saying, “We’ve held this in your system since childhood, and now you’re 40, you’re grown up, and we can’t go into old age using all our resources to keep this compartmentalized, to deny it and suppress it. So it’s going to show up and you have to deal with your shit.” So part one is, and I always found it somewhere around 40. Since COVID, it feels like there’s a collective awakening. So now it doesn’t matter how old you are, everybody’s in their shit and that everybody’s having to do inner work.

That’s myself included. I’m wondering, are you experiencing that as well?

Kim D’Eramo

There’s collective awakening and it’s not related as much to age, but as the acceleration in the, I guess you could call it atmosphere, we’re getting hit with solar flares and there’s an acceleration in the frequency we’re in. So like 50 years ago, it’s like, “Yeah, you beat your kids. Show them who’s boss. Oh, that’s no big deal.” Now we’re so aware of the truth. We are all worthy of love and here’s what that looks like. And if we’re still holding suppressed energy, whether it’s a belief, I’m not worthy or it’s just an emotion of anger or a lineage pattern of not having money, these are dissolving and because we’re accelerating so quickly, it’s kind of like a scuba diver coming up really quickly and then the nitrogen bubbles aren’t dissolved out and they get the bends and there’s pressure. People are feeling the pressure of carrying those lower frequency energies into a higher dimensional consciousness.

So you’re going to be like, “Ah, and I don’t know what’s happening.” Just like someone that gets the bends could be screaming in pain. And what you’ve got to do is actually what do you do? You dive them, you descend them to the frequency and consciousness where that energy can dissolve. So you go into shame or you go into fear. “No, no, that can’t be the right way. Surely, I’ve got to escape this. “No, you’ve got to let it transmute. So we actually go into the, doesn’t mean you got to relive the trauma, but to embrace and allow that sucks, suppressed energy to come up and dissolve.

Lorne Brown 

Yeah, it has to have resolution. It’s stuck. That’s the whole idea stuck. You’re meant to have a human experience. It should have lasted minutes, hours, not years, and now life bumps up against it or now awakening. And you can try to push it, suppress it, deny it, project it out. We see that. Most of the protesting is a projection, like lots of blame, right? So we can try to do that, but I don’t think that’s going to work in whatever’s happening now. And I believe, I don’t know, but I believe it’s going to happen. So you can either go kicking or screaming or you can use tools like A, B, C to help you. I like your diving analogy. So we’re going to descend into it and we’re going to notice it. We’re going to bring awareness and breathe into it. We’re going to bite the apple and chew, and then we’re just going to trust the process and see what happens.

And so you have to be willing to do the work, learn some tools. And again, let’s wrap up then with you, Kim. How do they go and connect with you? How can people work with you? Where are your books? Where are your online programs? Any closing remarks? Because people are like, ” Yeah, like me, I want peace over craziness. “And you have a process to help people find that peace that’s inside of them, that is them.

Kim D’Eramo 

The site is drkimd.com. And if you go to drkimd.com/elevate, you’ll have a download for the instant elevation. It will take you through the process and you can listen to that even just a few times, maybe when you get up in the morning and then you do it during the day on your own, even if it’s just three seconds, it’s a super easy process. It will begin to shift your physiology and it will begin to access you more and more to what you’re talking about, Lorne, where they begin to just be in that piece. And that piece is what dissolves whatever. If it’s your body or symptoms or your money or your family member, you’re impacting all of it. So drkimd.com and my books are on Amazon as well, but drkimd.com/elevate is for the instant elevation audio download.

Lorne Brown 

We’re going to put that in the show notes too. So guys, check out the show notes if you’re looking for that. Kim’s got a YouTube channel, like her mind, body TV, really good material there. And so if you’re looking to learn more, do check out our website, check out her YouTube channel, lots of incredible stuff that she’s teaching and offering. And again, she’s a doctor of osteopathic medicine, right? Is that what they call it? DO? That’s what it sounds for, right That’s

Kim D’Eramo :

Right. A DO. Yes, sir.

Lorne Brown

And she’s lived it. She’s had the diagnosis and the prognosis and she was able to shift that and now she’s taken that out to her community and teaches us how to do that for ourselves as well. And we thank you for that.

Kim D’Eramo 

Thank you so much. I’m so glad we did this.

Lorne Brown

Thank you for spending this time with us on the Coherence Co-Podcast. I’m Dr. Lorne Brown, and I will see you next week for another conversation on coherence and healing. If this conversation resonated with you, please like, subscribe or follow the show, and also share it with someone who might benefit from it as well. Remember to take a moment to breathe, reflect, and stay connected. Welcome to the Coherence Code Podcast.